Issue 5 Online Extra: The Importance of Self-Reliance with Cody Lundin

Cody Lundin
Cody Lundin

This is the “Online Extra” section of the interview with Cody in The New Idealist Issue Five: Doomsday Edition. You can download the rest of the interview here to read Cody discussing how he feels about his sudden departure from the Discovery channel show ‘Dual Survival’ and why mental strength is important survival.

Please note: This article was originally published in The New Idealist section of The Intelligent Review site in May 2014 before being transferred to this new site in July 2015.

What is the worst climate or expedition that you’ve faced. What’s been your biggest challenge?

I think a real big challenge in general is beginner people in a very hot environment with minimal and limited water, and limited sleep, and bugs, [with] no food. So, what makes a challenging environment is when you take all the little things that [you take] for granted, and I take them from you. And all of a sudden even your office will become a challenging environment. If you couldn’t go to the bathroom and you had nothing to drink and you had nothing to eat.

So you can make any landscape extremely challenging just by eliminating resources. The landscapes that are the most challenging have limited resources. That may be the Winter, in the Winter everything is sleeping or dead, or a desert climate, where its apparently expected that the resources for living and survival would be at a premium.

Is it harder to survive extreme heat or extreme cold?

Oh yeah, this is a real common question. You’d have to look into how someone dies. When someone is in a very cold environment and they’re left undisturbed, really the heart just beats slower and slower and slower until it stops.

And if you’re in a hot environment: I live in an environment where there are a lot of people who try to come over the border illegally – as I’m sure you’re aware – and they find the dead bodies by the hundreds every year. And from ribbing on the ground and the patterns of their death throes in the desert when the border patrol picks up the bodies, hyperthermia, where [you] get too hot inside, seems like a very, very painful way to die. Very painful. And hypothermia is not really.

So if I had to choose between the two, it would be hypothermia hands down. This is just from how they find the corpses.

Is hypothermia just like when you fall asleep, essentially?

You can, and that’s what the body kind of does internally. It just shuts down. [you won’t] Find someone in a hypothermic situation, when it’s cold out, with a bunch of rib marks in the snow like they’ve been convulsing for half an hour. You find that in the desert in heat related (hyperthermia) fatalities. They sound very painful because the body heats up.

So hands down, I would want to be in a drizzly UK forest somewhere improperly dressed and die of hypothermia rather than in the Sahara desert in the summertime.

This is an edited version of the interview: Download the Doomsday Edition of The New Idealist free of charge to read Cody discussing how he feels about his sudden departure from the Discovery channel show ‘Dual Survival’ and and why mental strength is important survival.

Cody Lundin is Founder, Director and Lead Instructor of the Aboriginal Living Skills School in Arizona, USA. Cody also starred in seasons 1-4 of the Discovery Channel reality television series “Dual Survival” where two men with very different survival strategies join forces to take on some of the planet’s most unforgiving terrain in order to stay alive.


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